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This clip from the early 80s makes me wonder if they had decided which 2 divisions these would be before they moved on from HTLD.
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Shrike,Originally posted by shrike6 View Post6th Infantry Division 1991
194th Armored Brigade 1992 w/ proposal for multicomponent bde
https://emu.usahec.org/alma/multimed...344157I004.pdf
Excellent! Keep it coming. As an aside, another of the many things that bothered me about T2k and their ORBATS, I think 6LID would have been going to Korea or Japan not half way around the World to Norway, especially when you already had 10 LID earmarked (and had been a POMCUS Div) in the late 1980's.Comment
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You have no idea of how true that was, and probably still is.Originally posted by Homer View PostI'm guided by the beauty of our weapons...First We Take Manhattan, Jennifer Warnes
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That was a surprise when I transferred from 2/7 at 24th ID (now 3rd ID), where most of the trucks, even the legacy deuce-and-a-halfs, had ring mounts for either M60s or M2HBs. When I got to G3 at 2X (2nd ID HHC), none of the trucks had ring mounts for anyone. The MP company that deployed with us had heavily-armed HMMWVs, and once we pulled into a position, we dug pits for "infantry" positions (I, Eric Harmon, and Mike McCauley, as the only true infantrymen in the DTAC, along with a superfluous officer, had to set up those defenses, sleeping positions, the "latrine," etc) we dug fighting positions for heavy and medium machineguns, Dragons, and our single TOW launcher.Originally posted by swaghauler View Post
When I got to 2X, I was the only one qualified on the Dragon, as well as the only one who knew how to use a ground-mount TOW launcher (though I didn't have a qualification), so I immediately was put on rectifying that problem. And Eric, Mike, and I also had to teach the REMFs how to use about a half-dozen "infantry" weapons, and serve as range personnel when we did M16 qualification. 2X G3 was an awesome unit, and I learned more than I can keep in my head at this late date, but as far as defending the DTOC and DTAC, it was a cluster. Probably why Eric, Mike and I got MSMs when we left the unit.I'm guided by the beauty of our weapons...First We Take Manhattan, Jennifer Warnes
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Whats really cool to me about the 6th ID one is that it provides conformation of a second Scout Group in Alaska. Up till now I only had one source on it which was a fuzzy map showing an infantry group in Nome Ak aside from the 207th. I couldnt quite make out the unit number and thought it was the 29th IG now I know its the 297th and was around between at least 1989 to 1991.Originally posted by Louied View Post
It may look like other divisions are closer but if you notice the Strategic Mobility slide it shows that it takes an hour less for the 6th to deploy from Alaska to Europe than for the 10th to deploy from NY. (This includes 2 hours for the 10th to get to an airfield. Using Fairbanks and Syracuse as the starting point and Oslo as the end point. There is only 126 miles difference between the total mileage traveled from either point which isnt alot when your flying.Attached FilesComment
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Shrike6,
Thanks I didn't even think about the air mileage! You do have a point, but do you think they would have withdrawn a PACOM Div while the Soviets were fighting (with a ton of troops) in the Far East and Korea kicking off
For 10 LID, it looks like they were going to use Griffiss AFB near Utica (before it closed).
Shrike, go over to tanknet, 297 Inf Gp shows up in the October 1990 edition "Army: Magazine of Landpower"Comment
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The 297th Infantry Regiment is the parent regiment for Alaska NG Scout/Infantry battalions.
According to the TankNet ORBAT and the Wiki article, 1-297th Infantry (Scout) was in Nome.
I suspect that any mention of a distinct 297th Infantry Group was a typo.Comment
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James,
It appears in 1990 they split the 207 Inf Grp in two. The three pure Scout Bns fell under 297 Inf Grp and the others (IIRC one Lt Inf which was a temporary RO for 6 LID, one hybrid Light, and one hybrid Mech) stayed as the 207th. That October 1990 issue lists both of them. Just don't know the answer to why One of those things lost in those early end of the Cold War days I guess....Last edited by Louied; 02-17-2022, 10:03 PM.Comment
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Alaskan Scouts/ARNG
In 1948 the Alaskan units became part of the Army National Guard system with the scout battalions designated the 297th Infantry. In its present organization there are five scout battalions and a group headquarters. The 1st, 2d, and 3d Battalions are "pure" scout units headquartered in Nome, Bethel, and Kotzebue, respectively. Each of these units is made up of a number of scout companies scattered over a geo graphic area equal in size to several of the lower 48 states. The basic scout unit is the five-man scout team consisting of a team leader, a radio telephone operator, and three scouts or observers. Its mis sions are primarily reconnaissance oriented rather than combat oriented. For special operations such as am bushes, raids, or direct combat ac tion, two or more scout teams are organized as a patrol to accomplish the mission. The teams report their observations to their respective company head quarters, which pass the intelligence information to the battalions. From the battalions, the information is passed to the group headquarters and then to the Army Force Commander in Alaska, whose headquarters then sends it to other units within the state. Each scout company has from 10 to 20 teams, depending upon the population in the company area. These scout companies are also unique in that they have female soldiers who are authorized to perform medical, supply, administrative, and communication activities but not ac tive combat missions. The 4th Scout Battalion, located in Juneau and along the southeast Alaska panhandle, is organized some what differently. It is similar to a light infantry unit in that it has light crew-served weapons such as M60 machineguns and 81mm mortars. The unit also has six LCM8 landing craft. The 5th Scout Battalion, in An chorage and Fairbanks, is a mechan ized unit and has both Ml 13 and M577 armored vehicles. This unit has more ground mobility than its sister units and heavier firepower with its .50 caliber machineguns and 107mm mortars. It can be considered a cross between an armored cavalry and a mechanized infantry unit and is responsible for covering the state's in terior road network and for helping to defend the various military in stallations in the interior. The group headquarters company has a company headquarters, a group headquarters, a communication pla toon, an airborne detachment (to per form long range reconnaissance patrols and pathfinder missions), and an aviation detachment (with 18 UH-1 and 4 CH-54 aircraft). Each battalion has an aviation section with two UH-1 and one UV-18 Twin Otter fixed-wing aircraft, and the 4th and 5th Battalions also have combat engineer platoons. Because of their scattered locations and specialized missions, these scouts have to rely on aerial resupply or live off the land.Comment
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There had to be some history there. Think about the US Army/ American Vehicle Guides for a moment. The 1st and 2nd IB, the 2nd is the 207th as stated. The 1st states that it is an Alaskan ARNG Bde that assumed responsibility for internal security and LRRP along the Bering Strait. I have a hard time believing in coincidences. There had to be some talk in the early 1980s of putting an additional bde sized combat unit in the AK NG. Which eventually produced the 297the IG IMO.Originally posted by Louied View Post
I suppose it came down to which theater needed the manpower more and it is alot easier to shift the 6ID east to Europe rather than the 7th or the Electric Strawberry.Originally posted by Louied View Post
Sounds right, it was late when I was writing that last nite. Utica changes the mileage to 3,585 mi.Originally posted by Louied View Post
Great find Louie!Originally posted by Louied View PostComment
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Heres the map I'm talking about. https://history.army.mil/html/books/...ub_70-30-1.pdfAttached FilesComment
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From Army Planning Guidance July 1985 FY 1992 to 2005Attached FilesComment
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3/6th Infantry Historical Supplement 1989
84th Infantry Division early 80s
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More on NG Infantry Division design
OPLAN for NTC rotation 90-5
Proposal to move 2-123rd Attack Heli from USAR to WI NG
Mid 80s force reduction proposal
NTC rotation 1-85 Summary
JRTC rotation 94-8
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Shrike,
Keep it up! Great stuff!Comment
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