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I'm guided by the beauty of our weapons...First We Take Manhattan, Jennifer Warnes
Entirely too much T2K stuff here: www.pmulcahy.com
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Germany to deliver 50 Gepard to Ukraine
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/26/germany-anti-aircraft-systems-ukraine-defence-militaryDefence minister tells meeting of military leaders that government has agreed to sign off delivery
The German government has announced that it is to send a fleet of around 50 anti-aircraft systems to Ukraine, as it attempts to offset criticism that it has been too slow to provide military equipment to the war-torn country.
Christine Lambrecht, the defence minister, pledged about the Gepard self-propelled anti-aircraft guns, in a speech to the representatives of 40 countries at high-level defence talks hosted by the US air force at its Europe headquarters in Ramstein, south-west Germany.
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Originally posted by kato13 View PostNot sure if the Gepards have been consistently updated, but back when I paid a lot more attention to this stuff, I considered them the cream of the crop. I will have a lot of interest in the ad hoc units Ukraine will be forced to put together. Pulling this back to being on topic, the mish mash of equipment does have a very T2k feel to it.
A report says U.S. intel sharing has helped Ukrainian forces, including in shooting down Russian planes, as other military aid grows.
-Author of Twilight 2000 adventure modules, Rook's Gambit and The Poisoned Chalice, the campaign sourcebook, Korean Peninsula, the gear-book, Baltic Boats, and the co-author of Tara Romaneasca, a campaign sourcebook for Romania, all available for purchase on DriveThruRPG:
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...--Rooks-Gambit
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...ula-Sourcebook
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...nia-Sourcebook
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...liate_id=61048
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Author of Twilight 2000 adventure modules, Rook's Gambit and The Poisoned Chalice, the campaign sourcebook, Korean Peninsula, the gear-book, Baltic Boats, and the co-author of Tara Romaneasca, a campaign sourcebook for Romania, all available for purchase on DriveThruRPG:
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...--Rooks-Gambit
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...ula-Sourcebook
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...nia-Sourcebook
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...liate_id=61048
https://preview.drivethrurpg.com/en/...-waters-module
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25 point summary of the last week. (Includes 10 maps)
First map I have seen of the Azovstal Metallurgical Zone
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Originally posted by Raellus View PostThe Drive reported a couple of days ago that Switzerland has moved to stop the transfer of 35mm ammo for the Gepards, essentially rendering them very expensive decoys. I hope the Swiss change their minds.
A report says U.S. intel sharing has helped Ukrainian forces, including in shooting down Russian planes, as other military aid grows.
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MESKO SA is the largest producer of ammunition, anti-armour and anti-aircraft missiles in Poland. The company manufactures: Small caliber ammunition…
Mesko produces 35x228mm which wiki says the Gepard uses. I have not found the Turkish manufacturer but they are 35mm users and I can see them producing locally.
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Originally posted by kato13 View PostI have read that (perhaps lower tech) ammo can come from Poland and Turkey (and perhaps Norway).
MESKO SA is the largest producer of ammunition, anti-armour and anti-aircraft missiles in Poland. The company manufactures: Small caliber ammunition…
Mesko produces 35x228mm which wiki says the Gepard uses. I have not found the Turkish manufacturer but they are 35mm users and I can see them producing locally.
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Brazil may be the way around it.
Ammo problem solved Brazil wants to equip German Gepard tanks for Ukraine with 300,000 rounds
Also in reading the press related to this they keep referring to "Swiss Made" rounds rather than "Swiss Licensed" rounds. I know reporters don't pay attention to details anymore, but that is a huge difference if that is the case.
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Originally posted by kato13 View PostI have read that (perhaps lower tech) ammo can come from Poland and Turkey (and perhaps Norway).
MESKO SA is the largest producer of ammunition, anti-armour and anti-aircraft missiles in Poland. The company manufactures: Small caliber ammunition…
Mesko produces 35x228mm which wiki says the Gepard uses. I have not found the Turkish manufacturer but they are 35mm users and I can see them producing locally.
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One aspect I will be interested to read about in years to come (if/when it is declassified!) will be what is going on with the various fires in Russia over the last week. The chemical plant that produces most of Russia's missile propellant, two military research and development centers, various ammo and fuel dumps close to the Ukrainian border... Russia certainly has underinvested in maintenance and modernization of its facilities, resulting in a great many more fires on a day to day basis than we are used to, but this certainly looks like the work of Ukrainian special operations forces or intelligence agency paramilitaries.
I'll have the popcorn ready!I love the smell of napalm in the morning. You know, one time we had a hill bombed, for 12 hours. When it was all over, I walked up. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' body. The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill. Smelled like... victory. Someday this war's gonna end...
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Originally posted by chico20854 View PostOne aspect I will be interested to read about in years to come (if/when it is declassified!) will be what is going on with the various fires in Russia over the last week. The chemical plant that produces most of Russia's missile propellant, two military research and development centers, various ammo and fuel dumps close to the Ukrainian border... Russia certainly has underinvested in maintenance and modernization of its facilities, resulting in a great many more fires on a day to day basis than we are used to, but this certainly looks like the work of Ukrainian special operations forces or intelligence agency paramilitaries.
I'll have the popcorn ready!
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Originally posted by kato13 View PostI have read that (perhaps lower tech) ammo can come from Poland and Turkey (and perhaps Norway).
MESKO SA is the largest producer of ammunition, anti-armour and anti-aircraft missiles in Poland. The company manufactures: Small caliber ammunition…
Mesko produces 35x228mm which wiki says the Gepard uses. I have not found the Turkish manufacturer but they are 35mm users and I can see them producing locally.
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Originally posted by shrike6 View PostMKE makes the barrels they also happen to make 35mm rounds in their ammunition division.
https://www.mkeusa.com/en-US/catalog...0-he-i/64/2130
This is not exotic 6.8mm CT ammo. Every shop that can produce it, should. And then send it to Ukraine.
PS: Also, what's the threat here from the Swiss We won't sell you ammo for 50-ish decades old weapons systems that you shoved in a warehouse years agoLast edited by Guest; 04-29-2022, 07:38 PM.
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Originally posted by chico20854 View PostOne aspect I will be interested to read about in years to come (if/when it is declassified!) will be what is going on with the various fires in Russia over the last week. The chemical plant that produces most of Russia's missile propellant, two military research and development centers, various ammo and fuel dumps close to the Ukrainian border... Russia certainly has underinvested in maintenance and modernization of its facilities, resulting in a great many more fires on a day to day basis than we are used to, but this certainly looks like the work of Ukrainian special operations forces or intelligence agency paramilitaries.
I'll have the popcorn ready!
-Author of Twilight 2000 adventure modules, Rook's Gambit and The Poisoned Chalice, the campaign sourcebook, Korean Peninsula, the gear-book, Baltic Boats, and the co-author of Tara Romaneasca, a campaign sourcebook for Romania, all available for purchase on DriveThruRPG:
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...--Rooks-Gambit
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...ula-Sourcebook
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...nia-Sourcebook
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...liate_id=61048
https://preview.drivethrurpg.com/en/...-waters-module
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Originally posted by kato13 View PostI have read that (perhaps lower tech) ammo can come from Poland and Turkey (and perhaps Norway).
MESKO SA is the largest producer of ammunition, anti-armour and anti-aircraft missiles in Poland. The company manufactures: Small caliber ammunition…
Mesko produces 35x228mm which wiki says the Gepard uses. I have not found the Turkish manufacturer but they are 35mm users and I can see them producing locally.The poster formerly known as The Dark
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